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hagel. chuck hagel enlisted in the army in 1967. he was a sergeant in the infantry. in 1968 -- and this is an anomaly. this is not true of very many other people, if any other people at all. chuck hagel served in the same small patrol in the infantry as his brother. he was 21 at the time. his brother tom was 19. in march 1968, sergeant hagel was on patrol when he was hit by shrapnel from a mine. he still carries some of that shrapnel in his chest today. but that day in 1968, it was his younger brother tom who tore his shirt open and wrapped the bandages around chuck hagel's chest to stop the bleeding. his brother saved him. his younger brother tom had also been hit by shrapnel. they spent time recovering in a field hospital after that incident. they didn't stay in the hospital long, though, because the following month, in april 1968, the two of them were back out together. they were riding in the same armored personnel carrier when it also was hit by a mine in an ambush. quoting from the book "long time passing" here, chuck instantly aflame, his left side burning, his face a
action against syria, they want war waged against syria, and they want chuck hagel out of the way. why? because he's just the kind of guy who will ask, what should we have asked when "w" took us to war in iraq? is this really the smart thing to do for us? we've got peter beinart right now with the daily beast and sam stein with "the huffington post." thank you. i have been reading your stuff. sam, you quoted colonel lawrence wilkerson who served as chief of staff to colin powell. when he was secretary of state. here is what he told you about republican opposition to hagel. quote, it's not all about revenge or retaliation for anti-party stances in the past but fear of what hagel's advice and counsel might be in the future. the hardline gopers and the neocons have unfulfilled plans, plans for syria, iran, and the greater middle east. these plans that envision almost endless conflict in the region are in the main opposed by people such as hagel. well, sam, you point and it may well be true you've done more work on this than i have. the sense that the vision is for almost an orwellian war
-by-one. the first one getting attention is chuck hagel for defense secretary. how big of a bat doll you think this is. where do you think it will play out? >> this is the biggest of the five nomination fights we know about. maybe a vote against hagel. few republicans, none come to his defense. few republicans might vote for him. he has a contentious personal background. hard, acerbic and hard to work with. more important than that is the record on the issues. opposed to iranian sanctions. he opposed the iraq surge. defended dialogue with hamas. refused to join in a letter calling on e.u. to condemn hezbollah. he had a pejorative comment to jewish lobby. he has taken stances that indicateed he is less than supportive of the relationship with israel. >> there are two key democrats that could factor in how this goes. one is new york democratic senator schumer. >> he is staying quiet on the fight. talk about the real oppositio opposition. i think there will be some tough hurdles to get over with republicans. but i don't think there is enough democratic fight to stop the nomination. out of loyalty
in chuck hagel's corner. the defense minister applauding president obama's pick for the defense chief, saying we hope there will be practical changes in america's foreign policy and washington becomes respectful of the rights of nations. hagel's comments about iran have become lightning rods. critics point back to his push in 2005 for direct negotiations with iran and to his past statements like in 2006, when he said i would say that a military strike against iran, a military option, is not a viable feasible responsible option. i believe a political settlement will be the answer. 2005 and 2006 was a long time ago. his views have tempered perhaps, who knows. "outfront" tonight, peter brooks, former assistant secretary of defense and john avlon. let me start with you, peter. obviously the iranian government loves to get involved in these things at times and stir the pot. they seem to love to do that. but how much does this seeming endorsement affect this potential nomination? >> well, i guess you have to ask the senate. i doubt very much that they'll take the ayatollah's advice -- take
from mother jones. and john fehry. you can throw in your ideas. my idea is this. he picked chuck hagel after watching two or three weeks of him trying to be destroyed by the right wing. he let them hang fire. give me your worst about this guy. do it all and i'm going to stick it in your face because i want a guy that thinks like me. he may be a notch or two to my left. take it. is that a sign of willing to fight this time? >> i think obama is the type of guy who picks his fights. sometimes he comes out and goes for the bipartisan compromise. doesn't work. he'll flip and do a fight. health care. great example. he tried to cut a deal with republicans, tried too hard according to some people on the left. left out the public option. then when he had no deal, what did he do? he rammed it through using methods that republicans screamed about. he also has this other thing. he's really good at driving them crazy so that they go to the excessive. i want to know what you think about this. i think republicans attacking hagel, war hero kind of a republican, moderate guy. they're going to look terr
hagel, the man president obama has nominated to lead the defense department, has called the pentagon bloated and warned the agency has not made important strategic decisions. his nomination comes as lawmakers have been looking at taking a trillion out of defense spending over the coming decade. but as darren gersh reports, hagel may be forced to cut a lot more than that. >> reporter: former senator chuck hagel is a vietnam vet, so when he accepted the president's nomination as secretary of defense, it was fitting his thoughts turned first to the troops. >> these are people who give so much to this nation everyday with such dignity and selflessness. >> reporter: but if he is confirmed, one of hagel's toughest jobs will be deciding how much to cut back the size of the military and the size of military paychecks. that won't be easy. >> despite all the conspiracy theories about the defense industry, it's actually a lot easier to cut weapons than to cut personnel costs. when you try to cut military pay and benefits, you run into a buzzsaw on capitol hill. >> reporter: if you count benefit
at the pentagon and for all our citizens. >> is president obama nominating chuck hagel as secretary of defense in in order to cut funding to the military? charles krauthammer will weigh in on that. caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone, the factor begins right now. hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. aborting babies at taxpayers expense that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. we have been taking a very hard look at a disturbing situation that may be a major violation, maybe of federal law. in 1976 congress passed the hyde amendment which forbids federal tax dollars for abortions. the reason is obvious. many americans believe abortion is morally wrong to. protect those americans, the feds said no to public funding of abortions. but now it looks like pro-choice zealots have figured out a way to get around the hyde amendment. they are using planned parenthood. here are the stats. 2001 planned parenthood received about 203 million taxpayer dollars. 10 years later, 2011, the organization received a whopping $5,542,000,000, nearly double. planned pare
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gone, being replaced by folks like chuck hagel and john kerry who if confirmed both have more cautious views about the use of military force, president obama seems to be protecting himself from a scenario where he gets boxed in politically by the pentagon like some believe the president believes he was in 2011. hagel, though, still has his own fight on his hands. yet senator john mccain acknowledged that his skepticism about the nomination of his long time friend and ally has its roots, and why they've split since, has its roots in the fact that hagel split with mccain on the iraq surge. >> we both knew that we were losing the war in iraq. lindsey graham and i and joe lieberman and others said we need a surge. and the president somewhat reluctantly adopted the surge and it succeeded. senator hagel obviously said it couldn't. and he called it the biggest blunder since the vietnam war. that is a really gross misconception of america's role there and in the world. >> south carolina senator lindsey graham said he could put a hold on cia nominee john brennan's nomination until the white hou
reluctantly adopted that and it succeeded. senator hagel called it the biggest blunder since the vietnam war. >> someone that holds mourdock-esque. >> send you back to vietnam. >> let's get right to our panel now. the second hour of the cycle. i'm joined by krystal ball and toure who love to eat up my time period on this network. >> what's wrong with that? >> absolutely. i'm accepting you'll soon do that. krystal, we've heard just now about the resignation of hilda solis. it's just been announced. the president has responded and accepted her resignation. but how much does this resignation put pressure on him in terms of the diversity issues with his cabinet? because he's already been criticized for a lack of diversity. now we've lost another woman. >> his cabinet is looking pretty brotastic. it bothers me. >> i think it bothers a lot of people. >> i give the president credit. he has more women in his cabinet than say george w. bush. but. >> of course he did nominate two supreme court judges who are women. >> and we vould remember his first choice for secretary of state was susan rice, a woma
, and i did recommending both hagel and carey. >> joy: okay. so who else? did you talk about lou? >> no i was talking about cheryl sanburg. >> jennifer: all right. what about chief of staff? >> i was thinking shean donovan and then there would be a new hud secretary -- >> but he is not leaving. >> yes, there are some wonderful public service opportunities in los angeles that hilda solis is taking a look at. many people have encouraged her to take a look at running for office. >> jennifer: he has gotten some criticism for appointing all white males so far. but he is going to appoint some women. >> that's right. >> jennifer: we're going to come back and talk about another really important subject. so come back and we have some other stories to cover, because there are some developments in the war on women, but after the break we have got to talk about what is happening in congress in the right on right fight. poor john boehner meet poor mitch mcconnell, the club for republican leaders in need of a hug appears to have added a member. we'll be right back. jennifer granholm
of people, new c.i.a. guy, brennan and hagel to be his defense secretary. we've talked in the past a little bit about brennan's problems. it's very clear that hagel could actually be the most divisive nomination fight in the senate since, what was it, 20 years ago when president george herbert walker bush nominated tower for defense secretary. >>brian: he didn't get it. >>steve: he absolutely did not get it. the conventional wisdom is hagel will probably sail through eventually. he won't get borked. but why did the president pick this guy when he could picked somebody like michelle flourney who would be the first female secretary of defense who everybody likes a lot. >>gretchen: who is that? >>brian: she's been in the pentagon. >>gretchen: i never heard her name as an option. for me, there's two reasons why this will not be a problem for chuck hagel in the long run. first of all, are the american people paying attention to this? i mean, i think if you could get the american people involved and they start representatives and say i have a problem with this or i light chuck hagel, then it beco
obama is filling up his cabinet with old white guys and republicans like chuck hagel? meanwhile some republicans are up with the hagel pick because of his possible antigay views. the democrats are filling in with the old white guys and the republicans are helping the the gays. i can't wait to see what the daily show is going to do with that story. there's no time. there's too much. dam damn you mayans. why couldn't the world have ended when you said it was going to end because that's what i was planning on. now i've got three trillion cans of creamed corn in my basement. waaa! we're going to get to all that in the next week or two because after that we have a two-month midwinter hiatus. but we have to start somewhere. here we go. our top story tonight, world renown thes pee and gerard depardieu has decided to depart france. (mumbling) we begin where we left off: dangling tenuously on the precipice of the fiscal cliff. could president barack obama pull america back from the chasm? would house speaker boehner's doomsday machine be stopped in time? who really fathered nancy pelosi's lov
of chuck hagel for secretary of defense. >> krauthammer says he thinks it give as preview of the second term and vision for the defense department. >>> i think what is happening in the second term obama is going to show who he really is. remember when he said to the soviet president after the election i will be more flexible which means he can be more of who he wants to be. number one item is cut down defense, the defense department. leon panetta said the cuts were supposed to go into effect on january the 1st and have now been delayed for a month. if they went into effect he gave i wanted indications he might resign on principal because he cannot carry it out. when hagel was asked he said the defense department is bloated and needs to be paired down. he is prepared to do the dismantling obama wanted to do never admitted he wanted to do but would be carried out in a second term. >> when discussing iran he said describing hagel as being soft is an under statement. what's going on with us today? >> still looking at more heavy rain associated with the storm system across texas and louisian
: there are questions surrounding the president's nomination of chuck hagel to be defense secretary. new allegations the nomination was part of a larger attempt to change the future of the u.s. military. what about that question? steve hayes with an answer, next. >> it was clear there was strong bipartisan opposition to chuck hagel and president obama decide he didn't care, he was going to force it through and pick this fight because i think politically he thinks he can pick any fight he wants. ♪ i don't wanna be right [ record scratch ] what?! it's not bad for you. it just tastes that way. [ female announcer ] honey nut cheerios cereal -- heart-healthy, whole grain oats. you can't go wrong loving it. your financial advisor should focus on your long-term goals, not their short-term agenda. [ male announcer ] join the nearly 7 million investors who think like you do. face time and think time make a difference. at edward jones, it's how we make sense of investing. bill: back to the breaking news news of the hour, the number of is at least 50 now, 50 people injured in this docking accident in lower m
afghanistan and else where? >> my sense is senator kerry and senator hagel are very experienced people. the fact they have military service is helpful. it will be hard exactly what they do. the next four years at least are going to be uncharted territory. i think we'll be in a very dangerous world but certainly >> does it worry iran likes the hagel choice and senator hagel saying opposing sanctions? >> i don't put a lot of stake in iran likes. >> neil: think anybody iran likes i should be worried about. >> i don't give it that much credibility. >> neil: the whole petraeus situation, were you surprised? >> i was surprised. i served along side dave petraeus to include many years in combat. he was a great servant to the nation. >> neil: did you have any idea any of this stuff was combing? >> no, i think the most important thing, he and his wife they get a chance to focus on themselves. that is what i think is most important. >> neil: there was no talk of this or fear he was compromising either military secrets or anything in this affair? >> i think this is now belongs to general petraeus
and expend all their ammunition, if they have much, probably on chuck hagel. they may try to take them both out, but it seems to me, you can't litigate every single nominee that the president, who was just reelected, sends down to the hill. they are going to have 55 votes in the senate. it doesn't seem to me jack lew is going to be the one that they really make a fuss over, but we'll see what comes out over the next 48 hours and what they are saying once it's official, what sort of vibe and signals we get from the senate. >> jack lew and vibes. i want to open this up to our panel here. jen, you know, to some degree, the bluster from the republican party is now par for the course on basically everything. if the president announced he was going to have a tuna fish sandwich for lunch, i'm sure there would be outcry it wasn't chicken salad. >> if lindsey graham was nominated, i'm not sure he'd vote for himself at this point. it's become this big trend, that's unfortunate. take a step back, it is delaying the process to getting important nominees in place, and whether you're a democrat or republ
that the president's choice in john kerry and check hagel indicate withdrawing more troops and leaving far fewer in that country and as we move forward with other possible conflicts. >> i hope so. i think both are vietnam vets and wounded in action. they have a very realistic view on the limitations of military power. this is going to be important. president obama is not going to get much out of karzai from a strictly military perspective and maybe 30,000 troops is the right answer for air power and counter terrorism and intelligence support in afghanistan. i don't think that's going to happen. i'm not too sure we are not well-served by going to a near zero option. >> karzai said he wants the u.s. out of afghanistan, but we know there is a concern about al qaeda and the overall safety here from terrorist who is live and exist there. >> yeah, but a problem with dealing with karzai who two years from now, it is likely he will be in dubai with his family. it's likely that that will unravel minus a significant military presence. having said that, i don't think he will give us a status force agreemen
. >> john: let's move on to another fight the president is about to face, the nomination of chuck hagel former republican senator from nebraska, for secretary of defense. rick, what makes chuck hagel harder to get confirmed? his anti-gay comments from 15 years ago his reference to the jewish lobby or the fact that obama likes him for the gig? >> probably the last. because this is all about politics. look, the gay community has for the most part, not in all cases shown a willingness to forgive his comments. he has apologized. whether it was too little, too late is something you can talk about. that's not going to keep him out of the job. what if anything -- i don't think anything will keep him out of the job. barring something else coming up. he really ticked off a lot of his fellow republicans. john mccain who once said he would make a great secretary of state now thinks he's not such a great idea. come on. this is pure politics. it is ridiculous. but it's the world that we now live in. >> john: trisha, why do republicans hate one of their own this much? because he was right about the i
confirmation process for chuck hagel. we were talking a lot about this yesterday. also some other nominees as well. but you say the white house is looking forward to these fights. why would that be? >> no, that's exactly right. this is a real window into why the president made this tough choice of chuck hagel. and that is we talked to people around the white house who said that the president wants fights with congress. and there's both a short-term strategy here and a long-term strategy. in the short term, the president wants to take advantage of the fact that he's the only person in these negotiations who's not running for re-election. so he can afford to be tough. he can afford to stand up for what he said. second, simple contempt by the president. these republicans who lost to him so badly in 2012, in his view, just won't take yes for an answer. so there's a little bit of exasperation by the president. but pull back the camera, and you see the bigger strategy, which is looking ahead to the midterm elections in 2014. by picking tough fights with the hill, the president uses his office to
hagel and john brennan, because they have been controversial and have some opposition. >> well, first of all, with chuck hagel, you have someone who's decorated war hero, you have someone who served well in the senate, who has a lot of support from people. at the same time, you have senators who have legitimate questions. i think what's important here, andrea, we're finally going to have a hearing to have opportunity for the nominee to answer these questions instead of just having his name out there not being able to answer it. you've seen a number of senators that are open minded and give full consideration to his nomination. i was just concerned this kept going without a nominee, now there is a nominee for both positions and all of these concerns, as they should be, should be considered in the process. >> based on what you now know, do you think hagel will be confirmed? >> i have no chrrystal ball, i wouldn't have thought we'd be in the senate at 2:00 in the morning on new year's eve. i don't think anyone can really say, but i think there are a number of people who have been very op
of washington's most powerful special interest groups. pro-gun and pro-israel lobbies. dominating chuck hagel point to a president unafraid of going head to head with two powerful lobbying groups that have long wheeleded strong influence in washington. i'm joined by national journal political correspondent beth rinehart who writes about the president's busting second term. >> thanks for having me. >> the president is relishing his approval numbers and the fact that he didn't have to run again. he actually talked about the second term on "meet the press." i want to play that. >> one of the nice things about never having another election again. i will never campaign again. is you know, i think you can rest assured that all i care about is making sure i leave behind an america that is stronger, more prosperous, more stable and secure than when i first came into office. >> the first thing, rahm emanuel when chief of staff, had this policy, you don't take on a fight that you don't have a realistic chance of winning. is this a change? >> that is a change. i mean, the president obama we've seen over
iranian official says he hopes chuck hagel will help make practical changes in american foreign policy. some of his fellow republicans say they cannot and will not support hagel because of his record on israel and iran. he once made a comment about the quote jewish lobby and some of the, quote, dumb things they do. but later went on to say he supports israel in every way in the same conversation. at any rate now tells nebraska newspaper critics have completely distorted his record. he has shown unequivocal support for israel and called iran a sponsor of terrorism many times. first, there was a fire on one plane. now a fuel leak on another. the aircraft maker boeing dealing with a pair of problems on newest passenger jet the dream liner. what's up here? we will get a report next. plus a guy wins a million bucks in the lottery. the next day he is dead. investigators at the time said natural causes. they are digging up the body now to try to figure out who poisoned him. that and the rest of the night's journalists on this fox news tuesday fox report. it's the little things in life that ma
it for some people but not the rest of them? chuck hagel the guy who is going to fix all of this, right? >> john: true. chuck hagel one thing i will say for the man he seems like he will be a huge advocate for veterans rights. isn't this a victory for lgbt? >> a huge victory. the problem in the inconsistency in the obama administration, why did it take the aclu to take this to court? >> why indeed. >> john: trisha, i have a question for you. according to ppp congress now has a favorable rating of 9%. chlamydia is at 12%. why is congress's rating this low after bringing us back from the fiscal cliff? >> i think any time you consistently see petty self-interests ideological warfare, no interest in the common good and a profound disengagement from the everyday citizen who is suffering enormously. i'm not talking just about the very, very bottom. i'm talking all the way through all of the class -- very class ranks up until the lofty 5%. everyone below that is in such deep crisis that any time you see this kind of jockeying and supporting policies for mobility for wealth for the rich, it is
at the fence and look at senator hagel and others, there's a lot of issues surrounding that. the science area is where we have to stay focused. whoever the president would like to serve in his discretion, obviously, that's his call. i don't want to judge where he's going on what motivated him to make that decision, but, clearly, anyone who fills the roles, we would seek to have a good relationship to base policy development in sound science and to pursue the mutual interests that we can find, the commonground we can find in the policy development. as i mentioned to one of the earlier questions today, we had a good dialogue over the past couple months, and we have areas that we disagree on. we represent a broader industry that sometimes sees the world differently than perhaps a regulator might. we support robust regulation, but we believe regulation should be thoughtful, and it should be based in science, and that's what drives our conversation in dealing with the regulators. we welcome the opportunity to work with whoever the president may nominate, whoever the president can get confirmed in
to me that jack lew kept moving the goal posts on them. yes, there will be opposition. for chuck hagel, no. i believe in the end jack lew will get confirmed. but i'll tell you this, the reason the white house put off the announcement of jack lew until tomorrow is because of the fiscal cliff. they didn't want it to get involved in the negotiations for the fiscal cliff. they felt that they already had a fight on their hands. they didn't want to add any fuel to the fire on that, which is why they've held off of the nomination until this week. they do expect him to get confirmed and so do i. >> john kerry, secretary of state. we've got a lot of white males, shall we say, chuck hagel, we have pictures up there. jack lew, eric holder is over at the justice department. he's not a white male. he's an african-american. but no women. >> men. men. >> i want to put up another picture of the seen yr staff, if you will. there you you he sue the staff. there's been mur muring that there's not enough women part of this white house, the inner circle. what are folks saying about that? >> the visual you
, the front page of the washington times, nomination of chuck hagel, a republican, to head the pentagon. that's where the confirmation hearings will take place, before the senate armed services committee. the "washington times notes that several other republicans on the committee which will hold the hearings as already indicated they intend to -- have already indicated they intend to vote against chuck hagel. and regarding john kerry, swift boat veterans for troop helped to sink john kerry's bid for the white house years ago, but the group has decided it will not try to torpedo his nomination to head up the state department. today's's a story in new york times opinion pages. chuck hagel under attack again, a story about his service in vietnam, something that many of you might know about -- might not know about. the soldier was on fire, yet he instinctively reached for the unconscious 19-year-old gun runner caught in the burning steel cage and rescued him. the story goes on to say that it was the brother of chuck hagel. the two of them serve side-by- side in a unit of 12 at times because of ca
him questions about his views on issues. the secretary of defense -- senator hagel, when he is confirmed, as we hope he will be -- carries out the president's policies. and i think the president's policies on lgbt issues are both commendable, supported by the lgbt community, and will continue to be the policies of this administration as long as president obama is in office. so, again, i think you've seen what senator hagel said about this, and the president is very confident that senator hagel will be confirmed and that he will be an excellent secretary of defense and will implement all of the president's policies with regards to the defense department. let me move around here. chuck. >> following up on debt ceiling, i know your position hasn't changed on the 14th amendment. do you guys have a position on this trillion-dollar coin business? >> i would simply go back to what i said. the option here is for congress to do its job and pay its bills -- bills that have already been racked up. we saw what happened last summer, the summer of 2011, when congress flirted with the idea
and krauthammer believes it's no accident, and no accidents he chose chuck hagel to be the next defense secretary in his world view he'll do the the dismantling that president obama wants to do, tucker? >> yeah, i mean, that's, look, it's impossible to know always the president's motivations in these things, but there's no question about the fact that defense as you pointed out a second ago, is the one area where the president seems willing or even eager to make difficulties. is that an accident? probably not. look, the single largest driver of the debt and the deficit is medicaid. and medicare. and there's been no willingness on the part of this administration to even have real conversations about cutting that. whereas, they're eager to cut pentagon spending and you're going to see them try to effect that. >> megyn: you know, julie, when the president first took office, he took heat for what detractors called an apology tour and he went to the foreign countries and started to list what he perceived as flaws in america's behavior in the past and then to sort of try to account for them. and then y
that the nomination like chuck hagel, which is fairly controversial, nonetheless is sure to be a winner for him because he's got the power of the presidency at a moment when he feels, you know, it is never going to be more powerful for him and in the rest of the second term. jon: i made that observation the other day because chuck hagel is not popular among some, even in the republican party. so the president gets to look bipartisan by nominating a republican, but it's a republican who doesn't enjoy widespread support or at least unanimous support from members of his own party. >> well, you know, you touched on something among the political pros in washington is much, a point of much conversation. you know he had challenged mitch mcconnell for leadership post while he was in the senate. so mcconnell doesn't have a whole lot of love for him. don't forget, he endorsed john kerry in that nebraska senate race that recently went to a republican. so people don't, of course he was opposed to the war. he opposed the surge in iraq. so the bush administration folks, again they don't have a whole lot of l
ceiling to deal with and now these nominations of chuck hagel and john brennan over to the defense department and cia. so now, it is a question of how much time they have, but a lot of people will be watching, does harry reid make that time? >> some states are taking this one step further, proposing state laws that would make it criminal for a doctor like yourself to ask a patient. you could lose your medical license for asking, is that correct? >> yeah, it was even more than that in the original version of the bill down in florida, for example. and there are seven other states like this. the original version is that you could impose jail time for simply asking. so a physician asking a patient about guns could land them in jail, according to the original version. there was a scaled back version that was subsequently put forward, that you could still lose your medical license, you could get financial penalties. that was subsequently overturned by a federal judge, but it's being appealed. so, yes, it could be even a step further in some of these states, even a step further than what'
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